as well as help us in the only win the congress but help us move an agenda through. he knows that what i had done working in the white house before. and he also knew that i had private sector experience. and that i saw through --. >> rose: in the banking business. >> in the financial sector, yes. you know, i'm reminded, let me just divert for one secretary. josh bollton, president bush's chief of staff, had in earlier december a breakfast for all the chiefs of staff to come together. i don't think they have done that. there were 13 people there, including former secretary of defense rumsfeld, vice president cheney was there, howard baker was there. ken duberstein, leon panetta, sam skinner. i'm leaving others off. i don't want to do that. andy card was there. secretary rumsfeld said, you know, your advantage is that none of us had were that you were here before. and that you had worked in congress i said yes, all those assets are also my liabilities. all the members of congress know you as a first-name basis. i can't be the head of the legislative affairs. i have to